Climategate – Copenhagen Is Heading For Collapse

In the Times of India today:

The ministerial round that began on Saturday only added to the fear that industrialised countries were not ready to budge from their stands and the negotiations were headed towards a collapse.

The Indian and the Chinese governments made it clear that their leaders, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Premier Wen Jiabao, were not going to come in at the end of the talks to crack the fine details, they would agree only if the industrialised world was ready for a deal by December 16.

Rumours flew fast and thick that if the US could not secure a weak “pledge and review’’ kind of agreement that it had been supporting for months, President Barack Obama may give the meet a miss.

Updated 14th December 2009 10:54 GMT

Copenhagen stalls decision on catastrophic climate change for six years – The Times

World leaders will not agree on the emissions cuts recommended by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and are likely instead to commit to reviewing them in 2015 or 2016.

The delay will anger developing countries who, scientists say, will face the worst effects of climate change despite having contributed relatively little of the man-made greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

A draft text published by the UN says that there should be a review in 2016, which could result in an “update of the long-term global goal for emissions reductions as well as of the adequacy of commitments and actions”.

Despite the denials from the Church Of Climatology the Climategate emails have done the damage to Michael Mann’s Hockey Stock, Carbon billionaire Al Gore, the CRU and the IPCC.

A delay until 2015/16 is interesting, does this mean they are going to start again on climate change data with real scientists, or allow the neo marxist, one world governmentmentalists another 6 years to keep spinning the same lie and editing the data to get the answers their political agenda requires?

Someone posted a comment on another article that Climate Change is the new socialism; after a bit of research Aardvark is inclinded to agree.

Remember Gordon Brown’s 50 Days to save the world speech, a superb blend of eco-socilaist fear politics. There is not much to worry about, Gordon Brown has never been correct on any descision or call he has made, since the Dark Age of his premiership started 3 long years ago.

Updated 14th December 2009 12:20 GMT

Copenhagen Climate Talks SUSPENDED, In Chaos, As Countries Walk Out Of The Conference:

Africa has pulled the emergency cord to avoid a train crash at the end of the week. Poor countries want to see an outcome which guarantees sharp emissions reductions yet rich countries are trying to delay discussions on the only mechanism we have to deliver this – the Kyoto Protocol.

This not about blocking the talks – it is about whether rich countries are ready to guarantee action on climate change and the survival or people in Africa and across the world.

“Australia and Japan are crying foul while blocking movement on legally binding emissions reductions for rich countries. This tit for tat approach is no way to deal with the climate crisis.”

African countries have refused to continue negotiations unless talks on a second commitment period to the Kyoto Protocol are prioritized ahead of broader discussions under a second LCA track. Australia, Japan and others have succeeded in stopping Kyoto Protocol discussions as a result. Of the two tracks of negotiations underway in Copenhagen the Kyoto Protocol is the only one which includes a mechanism for legally binding emissions reductions by rich countries.

Updated 14th December 2009 12:37  GMT

The Labour Governments offical spokesman and purveyor of the AGW lie, little Eddie Milliband is all in a tizz now:

“We’re not yet on track for the kind of deal we need. This is the critical opportunity.

“Britain is working in formal and informal settings as persuaders for the ambitious and comprehensive agreement we want.

“If we want to do a deal we will all need to create greater momentum and make active efforts to find solutions. We need more progress before the leaders arrive.”

It’s dead Milliband, no one believes excpet socialist politicians seeking one world government and a hair shirt existence for us; and oh dear, Gordon Brown wont be able to save the world now.

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About Tory Aardvark

Climate Realist, Conservative and proud NRA member. I don't buy into the Man Made Global Warming Scam, science is never settled. http://toryaardvark.com @ToryAardvark on Twitter ToryAardvark on Facebook

Posted on December 14, 2009, in Anthropogenic Global Warming, Climategate, Copenhagen COP15, Fear, Green Lies, Green Taxation, Social Engineering and tagged , . Bookmark the permalink. 5 Comments.

  1. There’s no doubt that we’re destroying the Earth, the last of the big animals are being killed off by the overpopulated and starving Africans. Only population control can resolve the crisis and that’s impossible to talk primitive people into. This Global warming euphanism is bizarre, considering the coldest summers and worst winters, lately. It’s just an excuse for the government to take away our standard of living with tax increases while these hypocrite politicians fly around on their G-5 jets to their mansions around the world. I’ve got my cabin in the moutains with solar panels wood stove wells, etc. What are you going to do when the economy collapses? mensunion.org

  2. a.n. ditchfield

    CLIMATEGATE
    THE FALLACY
    The Lebensraum doctrine of Green activists rests on three tenets they accept with an act of faith:
    • We are running out of space. World population is already excessive on a limited planet and cannot grow without dire effects.
    • We are running out of means. The planet’s non-renewable resources are being depleted by consumption at a rate that renders economic expansion unsustainable.
    • We shall fry. Carbon dioxide emitted by human economic activity causes global warming that shall make the planet uninhabitable.
    When such tenets are quantified, the contrast between true and false stands out sharply.
    Is overpopulation a grave problem? The sum of urban areas of the United States is equivalent to 2% of the area of the country, and to 6% in densely inhabited countries such as England and Holland. And there is plenty of green in urban areas. If comparison is limited to land covered by buildings and pavements the occupied land in the whole world amounts to 0,04% of the terrestrial area of the planet. With 99.96% unoccupied the idea of an overcrowded planet is an exaggeration. Population forecasts are uncertain but the most accepted ones foresee stability of world population to be reached in the 21st century. According to some, world population may begin to decline at the end of this century. With so much elbowroom it is untenable that world population is excessive or shall ever become so.
    Strictly speaking, no natural resource is non-renewable in a universe ruled by the Law of Conservation of Mass. In popular form it holds that “Nothing is created, nothing is lost, all is transformed.” Human usage is not subtracted from the mass of the planet, and in theory all material used may be recycled. The possibility of doing so depends on availability and low cost of energy. When fusion energy becomes operative it will be available in practically unlimited quantities. The source is deuterium, a hydrogen isotope found in water, in a proportion of 0.03%. One cubic kilometer of seawater contains more energy than can be obtained from combustion of all known petroleum reserves of the world. Since oceans hold 3 billion cubic kilometers of water, energy will last longer than the human species.
    There is no growing shortfall of resources signaled by rising prices. Since the middle of the 19th century The Economist publishes consistent indices of values of commodities and they have all declined, over the period, due to technological advances. The decline has been benign. The cost of feeding a human being was 8 times greater in 1850 than it is today. In 1950, less than half of a world population of 2 billion had an adequate diet, above 2000 calories per day. Today, 80% have the diet, and world population is three times greater.
    There is a problem with the alleged global warming. It stopped in 1998, after having risen in the 23 previous years. It unleashed a scare over its effects. Since 1998 it has been followed by 11 years of declining temperatures, in a portent of a cold 21st century. This shows that there are natural forces shaping climate, more powerful than manmade carbon dioxide and anything mankind can do for or against world climate. The natural forces include cyclical oscillation of ocean temperatures, sunspot activity and the effect of magnetic activity of the sun on cosmic rays. All such cycles are foreseeable, but there is no general theory of climate with predictive capacity. What knowledge exists comes from one hundred fields, such as meteorology, oceanography, mathematics, physics, chemistry, astronomy, geology, paleontology, biology, etc. with partial contributions to the understanding of climate.
    Devoid of support of solid theory and empirical data, the mathematical models that underpin alarmist forecasts amount to speculative thought that reflects the assumptions fed into the models. Agenda driven computer simulations offer no rational basis for public policy that inhibits economic activity “to save the planet”. And carbon dioxide is not a pollutant; it is the nutrient needed for photosynthesis that supports the food chain of all living beings of the planet. But carbon dioxide became a toxic-by-decree of the Obama administration, with an act that smells of rotten bananas of a comic opera republic.
    Stories of doom circulate daily. Anything that happens on earth has been blamed on global warming: a Himalayan earthquake, a volcanic eruption, the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, tribal wars in Africa, a dust storm in Australia, recent severe winters in North America, the hurricane season in the Gulf of Mexico, known for five centuries, the collapse of a bridge in Minnesota. Evo Morales blames Americans for the summer floods in Bolivia.
    Global warming is not a physical phenomenon; it is a political and journalistic phenomenon that finds parallel in the totalitarian doctrines that inebriated masses deceived by demagogues. As Chris Patten put it: “Green politics at its worst amounts to a sort of Zen fascism; less extreme, it denounces growth and seeks to stop the world so that we can all get off”. In the view of Professor Aaron Wildavsky global warming is the mother of all environmental scares. “Warming (and warming alone), through its primary antidote of withdrawing carbon from production and consumption, is capable of realizing the environmentalist’s dream of an egalitarian society based on rejection of economic growth in favor of a smaller population’s eating lower on the food chain, consuming a lot less, and sharing a much lower level of resources much more equally.” Their dream is the hippies’ lifestyle of idleness, penury, long hair, unshaven face, blue jeans, sandals and vegetarian diet, imposed on the world by decree of Big Brother, and justified by the Lebensraum fallacy.

  3. From your update: “Poor countries want to see an outcome which guarantees sharp emissions reductions …”

    Perhaps I’m too cynical, but I find it hard to believe the poor countries care about emissions. It’s the money for carbon offsets they want. The sharper the emissions reductions the rich countries are forced to make, the more carbon offsets will be bought in Africa and elsewhere. (And the money goes right into the pockets of these protesting leaders, not the people.)

  4. I’d like to find out more? I’d care to find out more details.

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